#201 Candace Owens and the Christian Mind: Discernment, Deception, and Dismissal

This episode started off as an episode on the conspiracy debates and slander tossed toward those who engage in them. Though we eventually get to the crux of the conversation (Minute 50), we began our episode reflecting on the last 200 episodes of Black and Blurred and how this podcast started. We also reflected on the ministry of Pastor Voddie Baucham and his influence on many believers today. 

In the latter half of this lengthy episode, we dive into the banter around Candace Owens, her work and the slander towards her that seems to just roll off of the lips of those who have no connection to her. How should Christians view the work of someone like Candace Owens? Is she a psyop? Is she a liar? Is she out to make money off of gossip and confusion? How should Christians think about these "conspiracy theories" in general? Is there a place in the Christian mind for entertaining the possibility of such great deception? Walk with us and hear our thoughts on why you shouldn't be so quick to dismiss those the world tells you to. 

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Ladies and gentlemen welcome back to black and blurred hi that's darren that's me i'm brandon and guys this is episode two oh one two i don't know oh no you're right it is two oh two yeah because we did it no no no no no no no it's still one yeah yeah you're right it's two oh one i think The thing is, I've got some things on deck. I actually reconnected with Mama Mapendo. Remember her? Rose Mapendo? Yeah, I do. And did an episode with her, so stay tuned for that. That's going to be, man, it's a gut-wrenching one, but it's one that Christians today need to hear as we are warring and feuding with one another, our neighbors and our opponents, our enemies, carnal enemies. Yeah. Um, but, but yes, this is, this is, uh, episode two Oh one. And, um, in a way, what we're doing is we are going to address things have changed, man. Even as I'm thinking about this, you remember when I did that poll, which one Candace Owens on Instagram. Yeah. I did a poll, and this was just about Candace Owens in general. What a flex. Because at that time, Candace had gotten a call from Donald Trump. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. And let me see if I can... Oh, here we go. Yeah, let me share this. How does that look when you're in? Okay. I'm going to read it for people who are just listening. Make it full screen. I can't make it full screen? No, I said let me make it full screen. Oh, okay. It says, this is the post I made. It said, Candace Owens is currently the only podcaster who, one, is being ignored by millions, two, being slandered by millions, and three, being viewed by millions. Four, in receiving phone calls from the President of the United States to stop making content in order to prevent world war. maybe scoffing isn't a good take here. Because the rebuttals you would get for people who are Candace fans, which I call myself a Candace fan in the colloquial sense, as time has expired, obviously there are Candace, Candace fans that we wouldn't exist in. But as far as me supporting her, doing journalism and seemingly doing it in earnest, I'm a fan of it because journalism doesn't exist anymore. Now, what was happening up until this point is that the things that she was doing her episodes on was either met with people eating up every word or people scoffing at it. I'm thinking, why are those the only two options here? What is going on? And I did a poll. I did a poll. Oh, can I see the poll? Or did I do a poll? Huh? Like the results? Yeah. I thought that I did a poll. It's not on here, though. Interesting. But Oh, view post activity. No, that's not it. Well, let me just say this. This was the caption of the post that I wrote. I think that the growing popularity in slandering people is something we ought to be mindful of. We become scoffers who are dismissive. And there are plenty of content creators who we all disagree with. However, only some are popular to slander. Candace is definitely one. It's wild to see. Now what is it? Her Israel take? French president take? Her confidence? What are your thoughts about Candace? And Amber, I don't know what this even means. Oh no, the bully is getting dragged. Maybe she should go home and be a mom and make him a sandwich. yeah okay um anything real yeah yeah real luke edison said candace is obsessed with hating everything israel and she's willing to share lies and half truths to further that agenda as well as cozying up to literal terrorists and islamic extremes extremists it's a real shame to watch Waco DTM said, that's bae for real. Swipe left memes said, Slandis Owens. I don't know what that means. Rocky MMA says, absolutely. Love her. Love her as a matter of fact stance. Truth is truth. She doesn't worry about hurting feelings and doesn't sugarcoat things. She is not controlled and seems super curious. I used to not like her at all. Now I can't miss an episode. Let me scroll down. Katie Ann, one hundred, says it's interesting because I loved her, then started feeling skeptical because of what a lot of other, quote unquote, experts or Christians were saying. Then I decided to actually listen to her episodes in full and make my own conclusions. She makes so much sense. She isn't anti-Jew at all. If you actually listen, emphasis hers, by the way. which most people won't take the time to do who slander her that's simply a smear campaign to make people not listen to her she is anti-radical zionism and anti quote-unquote put other nations first before the united states it's actually interesting to find myself not liking her as much because of other people's opinions and then changing my mind by actually taking the time to hear her thoughts and form my own opinions So listen to her in full, then speak. So many people are off base. Also, her whole documentation on Macron is wild and so well done. Listen to it all. I'm going to read this last one from Blonde Ammo. I loved Candace, but I've noticed something has changed in her lately. I had not completely dismissed her, but her attitude towards our troops, suggesting they go AWOL, I have to stop listening to her. But I don't think the cancel culture exists among the right side, just as evident as it is on the left. Also, I hope she will spend some time reading the Bible instead of using being quote unquote Catholic as a Girl Scout badge. I got to say that last part, I can stamp. I'm locked in with her. I do think that Candace has a very shallow and surface level view of what it means to be a biblical Christian and then wrongly attaches a mischaracterized label to Protestants and evangelicals and things like that. But With that being said, so what we're doing here, this is not going to be, oh, shoot, I just knocked you out. This is not going to be an episode on Candace, although she will be an object in this episode. I think I want to call this Candace Owens and the Christian Mind, Discernment, Deception, and Dismissal. Because the Christian mind and his lack of ability to discern things to realize what's deceptive and what ought to be dismissed that's been lacking for a long time in the west when it comes down to western thought and the empiricism and the very um what's the word i want to use uh credentialistic mindset we have that if you've got the proper credentials then you can say whatever it is you want And if you tell me to hate somebody across the street, well, daggone it, I'm going to hate them. And that person better not say otherwise because he'll be an idiot. Because he doesn't have the credentials. Yeah. And he doesn't have the credentials to say anything. And that type of thinking has actually permeated our theology. Yeah. where people actually aren't very familiar with their scriptures. It's good that we have teachers, and those teachers are meant to build you up to maturity so that you aren't tossed to and fro, as Paul says in Ephesians four. But what ends up happening now is we've found our favorite talkers today, and people are literally being tossed to, they're not literally, figuratively being tossed to and fro by the waves of society. Mm-hmm. And it's fascinating and heartbreaking to see. But so we're going to be hovering around the reality of all of this. And we're going to talk about some things that have been dismissed that we want the Christian to recognize, hey, how do you view this thing? We've talked about a lot of different things regarding conspiracies on this podcast before. And we want to touch on them again. But before we dive into that, we surpassed two hundred episodes there. You know, I remember what what were we talking about when we first started this? What made me come to you and be like, hey, let's do it. COVID BLM riots. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. You're right. Actually, I'm locked in a basement with no cigars. We're on E because the cigar shops are closed because of COVID. Yeah, that's true. People had to escort you in the cigar spot. They had to touch your cigar. Remember how stupid that was? It makes sense. Another person's hands would be on a cigar that goes in my mouth. In my mouth, yeah. We were some idiots as a society with COVID. Let's put more hands on cigars. Let's do that. Let's put stickers on the floor, make you walk in a line because that's how you stop COVID. Yeah, I know. Everybody's standing. Hundreds of dollars on signage about a vaccine. I mean, we've addressed this in past episodes. We were angry. But that wasn't the only thing. I think anger was like the cherry on top. We were isolated. And COVID maximized that isolation because before COVID, we were isolated ideologically in our church. Because before COVID was all of the race-hating stuff. You had a lot of things that were going on. You had The Ahmaud Arbery murder. There are some others, right? I don't know if Ahmaud Arbery was in that, but... Was in what? We'll wait for that, right? Oh, yeah. I thought you were talking about the beginning of the podcast. no i'm just saying the isolation we had in our church as a result of all these conversations that were happening and because no matter the context every conversation turned into we need to hate white people more that's what it was they were using words like justice social justice um meanwhile they were not honoring the lord and they had no desire to honor the lord in the ideologically And the people who might have had desire were deceived because we can talk like that, one, because we saw it in real time, but two, what's the fruit of it? Have we seen fruit from it? Good fruit? The adoption of critical theory, have we seen good fruit from that? You see how silent people are? You don't have people in twenty twenty five coming back and saying, man, you know what? I preached this sermon this one time in twenty twenty. And now that we're five years down the line, it doesn't seem to have borne good fruit. It seems to have borne bad fruit. And I repent of that. We have marriages that were splitting up over critical theory. People actually leaving their husbands or leaving their wives because they were the oppressor. So we were isolated. The tragedy at the massage, the spa. Oh, the stop Asian hate thing. Yeah. Yeah. Like the narrative had to be lifted up out of that. And once again, it had to be, we need to hate white people more. Meanwhile, the murderer literally told y'all why he did it. It doesn't make it less sinful. It's just as devious because he had this sexual idolatrous mindset and fetish towards Asians or whatever it was. I think it might have been towards Asians. I can't remember. And so in a very devilish way, he wanted to purge himself by killing those people. And the narrative said white supremacy. Right. And it's like, well, why don't we want to tell the truth? Yeah. And you know what? Speaking of the truth. Yeah. You know what? I hate the most. What am I going to say? What am I going to say? They don't really care. People don't really care. Yeah. There was a bunch of Asian Americans pretending to be upset about this and scared to go outside. You don't really care. No. You don't really care. Because you know what happens when we started focus on Asians in the country during that time? found out that black people right exactly we found out that there were there were agents getting beat up physically and they were getting beat out of positions and that's the first things that we brought up right like oh man growing up in our experience right uh we saw racism but it wasn't towards us no And it wasn't towards white people. The corner shops. Yeah. The corner stores. Right. And a lot of our Asian brothers and sisters can attest to that. Like, yeah, because they're first generation parents. Yeah. Had to buy guns who own these sub shops. Yeah. And still have animosity. And still have it. Yeah. And so when it comes down to this real sin, it's all sin. We don't address it. And we actually foster it. And we water it. So that that seed of sin grows more and more. And what does it give us? It gives us what we're seeing today. Where now, which is an episode we need to do down the line. I hollered at Kevin Briggins and Monique to potentially do a collaboration. But now... We have white Christians explicitly and very incorrectly trying to address the issue with actual racist mentality. That's where we've come. We're watering it. So look back at the beginning of Black and Blurred. We were isolated and we knew that others were too. And I think that that was the common denominator of encouragement that we were getting in the beginning, that people were so happy to hear what we were saying. And it wasn't like people were coming like, yeah, that's right, man. So glad you're standing up for the truth. Even though we did get some of those comments, most majority, I genuinely say this, majority of it was people taking a sigh of relief because they had thought the way we thought, but they had been trying to convince themselves they're wrong. And it was leaving their soul fractured. It was leaving their spirit fractured. Like, wait, I feel like I need to change, but I feel like I'm going against my conscience. And it's tearing me apart internally. And people were able to get a sigh of relief and say, oh, there actually is biblical basis for me thinking this way. And I am being gaslit when I want to have a conversation about this. And so that's what our desire was. We were isolated, we were angry, and we were wanting to serve the Lord. And we didn't want to relinquish our principles while serving the Lord, even though in some points we did. We went to a BLM march. We talked about that. I can't believe it. I forgot about that. Yeah. I have a repressed memory. And I'm telling you, it is better to have gone, be like a, you know, since I brought her up, be like a Candace Owens to be deceived, right? You're on the left and then you see the light and you change. It's better in real time to do that than to be us. Yeah. Where we say, let's go to this BLM March, ma'am. I want to go and go. You talked me into it. And hate every second of it. It had nothing to do with the BLM march. It had everything to do with us trying to strive for unity. Doing anything. Because every thought that we had, every argument we made was being cast aside. Was not being presented. Or it was being snuffed out. So, we went to the march. And I hated every second of it. uh we did not want to see yeah it's just hard to see the church at large lack discernment yeah you know that's really hard to watch people that are supposed to shepherd you lack discernment because also naive we've got some fruit for that too right right yeah right like if we if we could talk to brandon and darren on black and blurred from from the future we'd be like hey hey Those Black and Blurred people stole a lot of money, y'all. Do an episode on that. Tell them they're going to steal money from them. In BLM? Yeah, BLM. You said Black and Blurred. Oh, I'm sorry. The BLM. Those BLM people stole money from y'all. Those BLM people didn't give any money to George Floyd's family, y'all. Yeah. Guess who showed up to their house? Candace. So we didn't want to relinquish those principles. We also didn't want to become racist because the critical theory rhetoric, although we didn't have academia and an academic presentation of it in growing up, the sentiments behind critical theory we grew up in. Not from our family, but if you grow up black in the city, in America, those sentiments are pretty clear. You white people are disgusting. There's something wrong with you. That's obvious. I'm not saying that's exclusive to black people. Maybe if you grew up white, it's the same thing towards black people or towards Asians. If you grew up Asian, it's sin. And during that time, Christians were fighting against other Christians for calling it sin. And now we have fruit to say we should have actually preached the word in and out of season. And we didn't. And we fought against that and did this podcast because we did not want to be racist. Because word on the street is you can't love Jesus and be racist. An actual racist. Not the take the Uncle Ben off the shelf racist. we also didn't want to gratify our flesh and hatred of our heart because we have our own self ex we have our own experiences to where if i want to gratify the flesh while somebody is spewing some rhetoric about hatred towards police i could easily tap into that you can tap into that we we can tap into experiences very real experiences But our hearts desires for people to recognize how power corrupts. It doesn't matter what the melanin count is. The police in Baltimore were indiscriminate. They were equal opportunity corrupt. Not every Baltimore police officer, but Baltimore's policing is corrupt. Yeah. You have people who are former police who speak out against it. You have former police officers who tried to speak out against it and were tragically murdered, allegedly not connected to their speaking out to it. But what happens? All that happens is we get a good documentary on TV about the whole thing, and everybody's entertained, and then we go back to it. Yep. And in a city like Baltimore, it's unique. I don't know if it's unique to every city, but it's unique in that all the leadership is black. Yeah. In Maryland. Yeah. Our governor's black. Our mayor's black. Since we were back in time, he wasn't black then. Oh, back then. I see what you're saying. I'm saying it's just as corrupt, if not more corrupt now. Correct. The governor's black. We did it, right? We did the CRT. We did the DEI. Everybody's black. Yeah. There's more corruption than ever. Black people still poor in the city, still killing everybody. There's still no fathers in the households. We did it. Thank you, people who don't live in the city. Pandering. That's what my anger was towards. My anger was towards people who wanted to facilitate more destruction in society. Blindly. See, you and I, who come from where we come from, our voice didn't matter because of the ideology. That's how we knew the nonsense and the rhetoric of black voices was a farce. It's not about black voices. And if it is about black voices, you most definitely have changed the definition of a black voice. Ben Carson's black voice used to matter a lot. It used to matter a lot. And so with that, um, here we are at episode two Oh one slow and steady. Um, we are grateful for the guy, for you all who have been listening and the newcomers who have been coming. I've been seeing you. I've been seeing those, uh, downloads happening all the way in episode one and ten and fifteen. They were getting angry Brandon and Darren back then. Um, uh yeah and so i'm grateful to see those downloads happening um But I'm also very grateful for the day ones who have been here and been encouraging and sending us the messages and sending us clips and things like that to use in episodes. Thank you, guys. Thank you for your encouragement. I praise God that you've been encouraged by our podcast and our thoughts. Thank you for your grace during those angering times where we've definitely said and done the things that we definitely will speak against and have spoken against regarding slander and scoffing. We're sinful, too. But we're saints by identity. We still do some sinful stuff. So we appreciate your grace in that. But speaking of black voices, there's a prominent one that is home with the Lord now that we haven't addressed. And it's Pastor Votie Bauckham, another person who was not allowed to have a black voice during that time. I remember, do you remember The Michael Brown thing, maybe that was one as well. It's, oh, Eric Garner. Yeah, Mike Brown was all in there. Yeah, that's right. Eric Garner. Yeah. And you know what's so odd as I was thinking through and preparing this part in the intro of our episode? I remember all of those, the slew of those things, right? And there are two segments to every one of those tragedies. And people probably noticed us compartmentalizing those segments now that we've started talking about them in real time. But each one of those segments in real time, for me at least, was met with mourning. Ahmaud Arbery, hearing of a man running who was killed, I mourned over that. There's sorrow. Michael Brown, killed by police, I mourned. There's no narrative attached to it. There's a man who is dead. Eric Garner, and that one is on video, right? You mourn. As a matter of fact, if I'm honest, I remember watching that video when I told Talani, my wife, I said, hey, I'm not watching the videos of these things anymore. Because it's poisoning me. It's angering me. Not in the same way that a lot of people are writing about how to be angry, because they're not actually angry. Like you said, they don't care. But it's triggering me, to use a common term, when I see police with no regard for who they're policing. We felt that way about George Floyd. remember we're not at the narrative yet we're just in real time the first segment in real time if it's a legal position that you had him in I do not believe that I'm not even going to address that we're not at the narrative right now the number one priority for a police officer when you have someone in custody is the person in custody that's the priority That they are not a harm to themselves or to others. And that you've become so mechanistic and machine-like. And unfortunately, the waters are muddied, right? Because the moment a police officer touches somebody, they start yelling stuff like, I can't breathe. I'm dying. They're killing me. And so it turns into this calloused heart. But when you're in the position of law enforcement, a peace officer, then you have to guard your heart. Why? Because it can easily become calloused, and we're seeing that amongst Christians today. That's why you guard your heart. That's why. That's why when the people are slandering you in the comments section or people are sending you nasty stuff, you need to stop and pray for them so that your primary response doesn't become these idiots. Right. You become calloused. And that stuff was angering me, and I have to stop looking at it. That's the first segment, the reality, the real life, the loss of life. And then comes the second segment when the world starts force-feeding you how to think about it. And then people around you start to force-feed you on how to think about it. And when you reject that food, you're strung up on a cross. It's like clockwork every time. I mean, I forget which episode it was that we talked about it, but after George Floyd, we told people, hey, guys, this would be, unfortunately, an incredible opportunity to talk about the relationship between police and citizens, the rights of citizens and the need for police to learn rights. And how we engage police and how not to engage police, that you can't engage police assuming they want to hurt you. That doesn't mean to be stupid. But you can't do that. You can't engage them with this belligerent attitude like they – you just can't do that because you end up creating the very thing you're claiming they're doing to you. Right. But because the narrative is going to be the narrative, we're not going to be able to have those conversations. It's going to be relegated to we need to hate white people more. Mm-hmm. It doesn't even make sense. It doesn't have to make sense. It was about three out of seven of those cops were black or Asian. Well, you know what I mean? Especially with George Floyd. Right. Doesn't even make sense. Yeah. Um, sorry. I'm trying to pull up a video. Could you hear that? No. Oh, I want to play a couple of segments of a video here. Um, cause we were talking about Votie Bauckham. and vody i want to play this beginning piece here because after michael brown vody wrote a piece pastor vody wrote a piece in um i think it's the gospel coalition and as a result of it he got a bit of a spanking obviously he didn't receive it as such he received it with a smile But he had to sit down. He had to sit down with other pastors, all of which disagreed, all of whom disagreed, and had to basically give his argument on why he wrote what he wrote. And what he wrote was combating the narrative that Michael Brown was maliciously shot by the police because of his skin color. And so I want to play just a little bit of it just to watch his interaction here. I'm going to hope that I can find some of the points, some of the places that I mean to find, but let's just listen in. Can you hear that? Yes. Okay. You turn up a little bit though. Small issues. These are not minor issues. These are not light superficial issues. These are things that have gravity. These are things that affect people, in fact, families and whole communities. However you frame out the problem, which we will talk about here, what can't be denied is the colossal, almost oppressive bearing down of weight on people. And that expresses itself in what someone thought was a harmless conversation in the break room that turned out to be an explosion between two people along the lines of race or racial understanding. And that expresses itself in public policy. There's a long history of public policy addressing and impacting these kinds of issues. So these things matter, and they matter for all of us. And one of the things we have to understand is that the conversations we have about race isn't sort of, I think sometimes when people hear even the word race, what comes to mind is black people, as if white people aren't in a, to use the language, a racial group. So that's Pastor Thabiti Anwebwile, who's pastor at Anacostia River Church in Southeast D.C. Just to comment really quickly on what he's saying, though I'm glad he's addressing that, the fact of the matter is the rhetoric we use continually perpetuates that mindset. Right. the narratives that we uh uh that we adopt and the language we use around those narratives perpetuates the mindset that white people their culture whatever it is the very phrase white people is meant to be an insinuation of blandness of no belonging that's the stuff that doesn't get addressed but let me try to find where pastor voda he begins to talk specifically and articulately have addressed, and really aggressively addressed, the grand jury testimony. You've spoken about the concerns about the process and about the injustice, where, Brian, and you, of course, have been writing at the Gospel Coalition site, which is one of our co-sponsors, along with the Kindness Movement and with uh with lifeways ministry grid you um you wrote uh and i think the first thing you wrote was at my site at christianity today uh and you didn't you didn't your whole issue i think we titled it but was you should care about ferguson despite the facts right there are issues that are bigger than this and then and voting you took a very a very different approach and we kind of joked beforehand that that would be uh would be a minority approach sort of on this panel in this conversation I think that's an overstatement. I think that's an overstatement. That's true. I'm that dude. I'm all by myself. All right. All right. But I do. But I think it's. So in case people miss that, the guy is saying in a kind way that Votie took a different, slightly different position. And Votie is like, yeah, that's I think he meant to say understatement. What do you say? He said it's overstatement. Wrong. But but he said, I'm all by myself. So he's up there with like five other dudes. You got Pastor Anuel Buile. You got Pastor Brian Loritz. You got Pastor Matt Chandler. There's another one. And his votey stance is the lone stance. And I think when it comes down to thinking in that way, it gives fuel for others to like slander you because you're in the minority position. We're not concerned with whether or not whatever you're saying is biblical or it's true. You're in the minority position, and I just watched a panel of my favorite guys against another guy. Even if they did it graciously, I'm not going to be as gracious. I'm going to slander you. to note there's not an african-american view like there's not an anglo view or a latino viewer or everywhere else it may be so so let's talk a little bit about it to you how do you frame this issue your your article you know was was uh i believe it crashed the gospel coalition site it was read so widely you ended up on fox news uh which even that phrase has cultural connotations and challenges all around it um they uh uh they weren't the only ones you invited they were not the only ones exactly exactly right because he was also on cnn What are the connotations of CNN? There was actually some Thabiti responded, but also there were stronger responses from a group of four African-American leaders, Ephraim Smith and Christina Cleveland, I happen to know, and two others I don't know. But they called your article Black on Black Violence. Oh, yeah. And there are people who have called for the editor at the Gotham Coalition to be fired for publishing my article. So what was the point of your article and why? Based on the reaction, any thoughts on the reaction thus far? Yeah, many thoughts. But let me just put this in context. Let me put my response in context. I grew up in South Central Los Angeles during the seventies and eighties in the heyday of crack wars, Uzis, drive-bys, so on and so forth. And there were these two ideas that were held in tension for us, especially for young black men in that community. On the one idea, there was this hatred toward and distrust of law enforcement, just undoubtedly. The LAPD was understood to be the biggest gang in LA. But on the other hand, there was this sense when something would happen, when a young Black man, especially one of the gang bangers or something like that, when something would happen to one of them, there would be older Black people in the community, unfortunately, usually women, would sit us down and say that's why you don't live like that that's what saved me is those people who sat me down and said regardless of what we believe about all this other stuff going on that's why you don't live like that that was the check that i had and that is a significant part of our cultural tradition that check that says we don't live like that And so for me, one of the points that I was trying to make, which is why I brought it right to my seven sons, is that for me, when I look at this, regardless of all of the other issues surrounding it and facts that are being disputed and debated and whatnot, for me, one of the things that we have to keep in mind is the fact that Eric Garner, Mike Brown, they were not Martin Luther King, Jr. They were not. Obviously, the you don't know. OK, come out yet. He came around. I know this this this this version of what you don't know. I know. But but he's making a point, though, still. Right. There is a difference. There is a distinction. between individuals who are living lives that represent what we are fighting for and individuals who are living lives that represent what we are trying to rise above. And so for me, that was the note that was important to be hit that I felt like wasn't being hit. This guy doesn't have a microphone. The greatest threat to me was other black men. Yes. And you spoke on issue of black on black crime. You quoted some statistics that later people will critique and say people tend to kill their neighbors who tend to live in white neighborhoods and predominantly black neighborhoods. But nowhere near at the rate. But we'd say there's disproportionate as well. so i'm not going to play that whole thing i'm going to leave that link uh maybe in the description if i can remember it's definitely going to be in the show notes for people um they go on they you know it's about twenty minutes long um and one of the points that you know is highlighted it seems like at the end of the day that vody's tone wasn't appreciated um That, maybe secondarily, primarily the fact that he wasn't on Team Black Victim. And seriously, regardless of what people think about that, the actual battle we end up waging on one another is for people to say, hey, why don't you just lay down your convictions? Because if we're not talking scripture, if we're not talking repentance of sin, Hey, Brandon and Darren, you need to repent. You said this incorrectly, and that is counter to what Scripture says. Then we're talking about preference. And there was a time when Pastor Votie was accused of not being empathetic. I think it was Pastor Brian LaRitz that said that, hey, you lack empathy in your peace. And Voti responded with, no, you just don't like who, to whom I showed empathy. It was to the police officers. And you don't like that I showed them empathy. And I think that's a very real response because these rebuttals that people have, like Pastor Voti and that he gave courage to others to speak out on, They're not rebuttals that say, hey, I think that these people should be killed. It's not even close to what we saw with the Charlie Kirk response. It's not even close. You're not saying that. Go ahead. What people end up doing is… They can't differentiate from, and they do the same thing with school shootings, right? They can't differentiate from people mourning and caring about a life of someone and a person attacking the narrative, right? So Voddie Bakken, what he's doing is attacking the narrative. And so that's what people I think that's what conservatives will do. People will say it's insensitive to say, well, hey, this guy was people say, hey, George Floyd was high on fentanyl. He had a rap sheet that was way too long. He probably would be alive if he was actually in jail. Right. You know, if Minnesota wasn't so soft on crime, maybe he would have been in prison and he probably still alive. And people think that's insensitive and kind of saying, well, he got what he deserved. But that's not the message. It's an attack on the the narrative that says this man, you know, they post them in angel wings and paint murals of them. So wait a second here. Yeah. You guys are... What about the people that he victimized? You don't care about those people. Those people don't matter. You are making this man who did a lot of crime a martyr and ignoring all the crime he did. And crime, like Vody is saying, a life of crime has consequences. Yeah. And that's a phrase he used. It's a biblical principle. Yeah. Literally quoted in scripture. He said in his article, you reap what you sow. Yeah. Or that Michael Brown reaped what he sowed. And it's not saying you got what you deserve, saying that what he reaped is a life of violence. yeah it's a life of violence and if you live a life of violence then you sow violence you sow violence and so when people turn around and say well that's the same as what i was saying about charlie kirk really because charlie kirk seemed to have reaped conversations so no well he's like Oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Yeah, the sewing is like the planting. Yeah, he sewed. He sewed. No, he reaped. Like, no, it's like a harvest. Yeah, right, right, right. He planted a bunch of violence, Mike Brown. Yeah, right. And so he was sowing conversation, sowing the reality of a dividing wall not existing. But it does exist. It doesn't exist for those who are in Christ. And it also doesn't exist between God and man through Jesus Christ. that dividing wall but it does exist between the saint and the sinner that was the only naive thing but it was still courageable uh go courageous i should say um i'll try to do that so it's different it's very different and people aren't being sober-minded in their thoughts about that but let me say this darren we have failed Monstrously. At this episode? Yeah. I mean, we're at fifty one minutes. I mean, maybe we just had more reflections to do. I mean, because we hadn't gotten a chance to talk about this. No. But we'll keep going. 

 So I think that that was something that meant a lot to me, him standing firm in his position. I think every Christian ought to be concerned with discerning what is true, right? And then when you land on what's true, you stand firm in that position, even if people revile you and slander you and say, you're not nice, you're not kind. At the end of the day, the Christian, the Christian man and woman needs to be affirmed by the Lord's statement of them, not by people. Right. Even professing Christians will slander you and revile you to get you to change and bend the knee to them. That's what sin does. It's what we do. So we appreciate Vody's ministry. And he had that courage in talking about homosexuality and the schemes behind it. People scoffed at. We're beginning to transition here. No pun intended. the manipulation that went with the narratives of homosexuality. I mean, look at where we are today. And then also his stance on critical theory, which was a stance shared by many Christians. So we're grateful for that ministry, and we look forward to seeing Pastor Cody in glory. Um, but continuing on and, and diving into the real crux of this episode, we're still continuing on the scoffing. We did that whole episode on scoffing. Just a quick reminder for people, Proverbs three, three, four toward the score scorners. He is scornful, but to the humble, he gives favor. That's reminded to the Christian excavate your heart. Are you a scorner? Are you scoffing? Proverbs one, twenty two. How long, oh, simple ones, will you love being simple? How long will scoffers delight in their scoffing and fools hate knowledge? Proverbs thirteen one. A wise son hears his father's instruction, but a scoffer does not listen to rebuke. Proverbs nine, seven through eight. Whoever corrects a scoffer gets himself abuse and he who reproves a wicked man incurs injury. We, we, that's a thing to discern for Christians and social media. Yeah. It's like, are you on here to have conversations with scoffers? Yeah. I saw this, uh, oh no, I can't. Well, yes, I saw this video. Uh, I didn't want to go down a rabbit hole, but here we are. This, it was, uh, I always get their name wrong. Is it abortion now or abortion and abortion now and abortion now the abolitionists. Yeah. um he was outside one of his things and a couple walked up a boy and a girl and he got into some argument and of course he's giving them the you know logical biblical and biological reasons to end abortion and he disagreed with all of it especially when they're talking about the science part yeah the boy says that's that's that's not true it's not science it's not even human the girl says it's not even you're not even a woman blah blah blah blah uh he said uh You know, he's talked about, you know, God knows this baby, you know, even before, you know, in Texas, they have some heartbeat bill that's six weeks old. But God knew that baby before it was even formed. You know, biblical stuff, science stuff. and logic right uh and of course they disagree with all of it and one of the things that the guy says is this argument from authority are you a biologist credentialism and he said i had biology in like third grade where i learned what a human being was if you're not a biologist and so you listen to you and as he was saying that a random guy was walking by he was like oh i'm a biologist And he said, oh, man, wow, God's amazing. And the guy's like, you think that's God? You think that's God? And so the biologist is like, well, I mean, what's the problem? And the guy says, well, it's a, you know, we're trying to discuss whether or not a baby that's aborted is a human. And the guy was like, well, what made the baby? And the people were like, I mean, I guess two humans. He said, so what would it beget? Mm-hmm. eventually be a human, but while it's a clump, it's not a human. He said, as soon as that zygote and that sperm meet, I can snatch it out of a woman and look under a telescope and go, oh, this is a human child. You can line up a million different zygotes and I can pick out the human after it's been formed a day. That's what we do. And the guy said, that's stupid. No, it's dumb. And the guy that from abortion now with the abolitionists now, I don't know what their name is anymore. What he said was, wait, You've denied, in the last three minutes, you've denied science, you've rejected God, and you've rejected all logic. Let's just pray. You don't even want to know. You asked for a biologist. Here's one is. You don't even want to hear what he has to say. You don't want to know the truth. You want to be evil. Now this conversation is, now I'm stupid for continuing this conversation with you. Now I'm a fool. You've told me that your heart is hardened towards the truth. And I think this is what we've seen. With Charlie Kirk as well. Whoever corrects a scoffer gets himself abuse. Yeah. Oh, your cousin on that point. Exactly on that point. He instead of correcting, you know, he posted a video of Cenk Uygur saying that, you know, of Charlie calling someone a Cenk and, you know, saying it's an Oriental slur. But actually, Charlie Kirk was talking to Cenk Uygur at a convention. uh and i told him i showed him the video and say hey this is incorrect and he just uh he deleted me and says something about being pious and whatever um and so i you know needed your comment or deleted you as a friend he deleted me as on he unfriended me on facebook interesting um but then yeah instead of and instead of looking at the video and changing his mind What he does is get rid of the person sharing the truth with him. Correct. And so that's demonic. Yeah, it's the same thing. And that's why it's such a big deal for the Christian to look into their heart during that moment and say, when it comes down to demonic thought versus kingdom thought, which way did I lean mostly? We all have faults and weaknesses where we would love to choose the dragon and But you've got to guard your heart and repent. You've got to. So that's just a quick little refresher. The Bible tells you scoffing is bad. Blessed is the man who walks not in the counsel of the wicked, nor stands in the way of sinners, nor sits in the seat of scoffers' man. A few weeks ago, there were plenty of seats of scoffers filled with the butts of professing Christians. Yeah. So, without getting into the weeds, apparently Candace Owens is pretty popular. She has been on TPUSA. This is post her being a leftist. She had her mind changed on leftism. And in changing her mind, she sought to change everyone else's mind. I think people need to remember that. That seems to be a recurring theme for her. I've watched her closely. This is relatively recently. Because whenever she was doing with TPUSA, even with Daily Wire, I wasn't watching her. Obviously, I knew who she was because in the black part of the narrative of what blackness is and you're not black and Candace is not black because she can articulate her thoughts and enunciate all that stupid, frivolous stuff. That's what I knew Candace. She was shouting down that narrative. So I was not following her closely. But as of recently having followed her and knowing that that was her stance and that she has gradually changed her mind on a lot of things and subsequently sought to change other people's minds, as in believe that she found the truth and wants to share it with people, regardless if you agree that that's the truth, I think that that is something we all should do. If you believe you know it's true, then you should want others to know it. But it seems that it's also become very popular to not rebut her claims with other truths, but to just slander her and scoff at her. That's what made me put that tweet up, where I'm like, I'm seeing different content creators who are saying, oh, she's an idiot, or she's this, oh, she's so stupid, oh, she's so full of herself. Meanwhile, she's got the Donald calling her. Mm-hmm. And so I'm thinking, well, these are disproportionate, these responses. Right. She's stupid and she's not worth our time and she's not worth our thought. Why waste any time? And the president of the United States is calling her. Mm-hmm. And I think you and I remember when our antenna went up. Yeah. It was when she had that disciplinary conversation with the guy while she was on The Daily Wire. I think it was the conversation that got her fired from The Daily Wire. Right. Another thing I've appreciated about Candace is that if you can call her whatever you want to call her, she'll still reach out and say, let's talk about it. Mm-hmm. I think that's commendable. Yeah. Now, I think that that is naturally going to have to die down a little bit on her end because we see that people are out here willing to kill you. We see that. And we see people will cheer it and champion it because they've already killed you in their heart anyway. And so you dying in the flesh is just completing it. Right. but that discipline, what do you remember about that conversation that she had? I forget this guy's name. He was a rap. Was he a rabbi? I can't remember his last name. Um, uh, I mean the conversation, the tone was very condescending. It was very top down. Um, the, the, the context was that Candace Owens was anti-Semitic. He's a rabbi and she shouldn't be. Um, and candace owens essentially he had already determined that she was anti-semitic without listening to her fully kind of like what the comment was saying on that one post so he wasn't listening to her he already had you know either marching orders or decided that she's anti-semitic and everything she says is anti-jewish because she hates jews so let me correct this little black girl put her back in her place right that was the tone of the of the conversation um and on candace's episode she kind of highlights that with video clips correcting things that he ways that he mischaracterized her intentionally you know he just mischaracterized what she was saying uh called her a hitler supporter because she mentioned his name uh all types of crazy stuff but the tone was disrespectful um and i candace didn't back down you know she wasn't like she was it seemed like she was kind of appalled at how he was speaking to her yeah um And I thought that she handled herself extremely well. Yeah, she did. He was disrespectful. Don't forget your thought. But I want to interject this. I want to say up front, guys, there's bias we have towards this. It's not about being a fan. It's about being experienced in what she's gone through. Right. That's what it's about. If you have had your back to the wall and you've had conversations with both passive aggressive people and aggressive aggressive people, then Candace has actually become like a representation of those people who have dealt with those things in the hidden cracks of society without you knowing it. Mm-hmm. now people still need to gauge how much they end up agreeing with things based off of that kind of like link that superficial link but i'm telling you that's a very uh important superficial link that when you sit across from somebody and they tell you what you think yeah it's not a feeling you forget And then you're in a room with four more people, and they all tell you what you think. Yeah. And then when you try to tell them what you think, you are slandered. When you go through that, then you listen to what Candice is doing with different ears. That's what I want to say. Go ahead. What were you going to say? I was just saying that, I mean, Candace actually had a pretty moderate view on the situation with Gaza and Hamas, not Gaza, Hamas and Israel. She basically said, this is all... Terrible. It is. I don't want to see anyone killed. I don't want to see any war. And they were upset with her because she wouldn't specifically condemn Hamas and not condemn Israel. And so they were upset because she wouldn't do that. She's like, oh, no, they both did crazy stuff. What happened to Israel was terrible. What happened to Hamas was also terrible. They don't like that. Well, she's saying what happened to Gaza was terrible. That's right. I mean, that's right. Children. Right. I'm sorry. Right. She was saying what happened on the Gaza Strip at the hands of Israel was also terrible. And they're saying, oh, it's a casualty of war. She's like, well, yeah, but I don't like it. Yeah. I don't like it on either side. And so they don't like that. Yeah. You know, you're not supposed to be in any kind of so any kind of sympathy towards Israel's enemies. And this is how boring Yet powerful and deceptive but boring Satan is. It's the exact same playbook that we saw in BLM. That if you have questions and then you say, man, I also have sympathy for this cop. They didn't walk out their door thinking I want to kill me a black person so that I can get hated for the rest of my life. And then you'll be called a racist. Right. For saying that thought you'll be called a racist for not adopting the language of your worldly masters and those who sit next to you in your pews. And they'll slander you as a racist. You racist. You bigot. You racist. And now you just click you control C and paste it onto the Israel, Gaza and anti-Semitism thing. that if you don't adopt the language of the master, you all of a sudden become an anti-Semitic person. Right. Which even that is cloaked in lies because a Semitic person is rooted in the language they speak. Right, I know. And it's not exclusive to Jews. So the devil being the father of lies is something that we've had scoffing hearts as a society about. Mm-hmm. Were you continuing? No, I mean, the gist of it is that it was just twisting her words like Satan would do, kind of bullying her, kind of forcing her to apologize in really passive ways. Well, you condemned the attack on Israel. So yeah, and I condemned the attack on the Gaza Strip. He didn't like that. So it was that kind of stuff. There was like a letter or something that he brought up that about Rabbi Shuley. Shmoley. Shmoley. It was an article that she wrote about him and she stood by it. Said he was an evil man and that's a rabbi. How dare you talk about him that way? Not my rabbi. Yeah. Like she was very, yeah, I mean, he was very condescending and demanding of her. And it's odd that Daily Wire would even allow that uh dialogue and the way it was you know what i mean like it's i but you know he's a fellow brother to a lot of them yeah do you remember um the punishment that was handed down to kairi for the book that he put that he just tweeted oh no he didn't even read the book he just liked it or something No, I think he just tweeted a movie. That's what it was. Yeah. Yeah, I mean... They told him he couldn't play. It was a list. It was like a humiliation ritual. Oh, you're saying what he had to do to get back into that good graces. Yeah. I'm going to try to find it. Well, you don't have time. But that is what really perks me up when I think... Instead of you being a not nice person, you seem to have upset powerful people. And powerful people want to lord over you. And I think that we don't really want to think that way. And we've allowed the narrative to take us away from what that actually means because you have language like Jews and Israel and stuff like that. And it's just like it's left people choosing sides, which has also been mind boggling to me. when I think about the nation state of Israel, I'm like in all of my theology training and things like that, I don't think I've ever had any strong feelings towards the nation state of Israel. The place of Jerusalem is glorious because Jesus will reign from right. And that all of Israel, spiritual Israel, both, um, both physical ethnic Israel and the church, who are all the children of Abraham through Christ Jesus, they will all worship him and come together. That is a glorious thing, and we want the gospel to go forward in Israel. That has nothing to do with me being tuned in to B.B. Netanyahu's decisions and so many people over time adopting that mentality. And it's rooted in eschatology. I think it's a flawed eschatology. And I'm not saying that specific eschatology would be premillennialism, dispensationalist-ish or full dispensationalist. I'm not saying that if you have that view, it's flawed. I'm saying that you have a flawed understanding even of that view. Premillennial dispensationalism. So that you have adopted this very carnal view of these nation states to the fact that there's an allegiance to them. You know that I don't even have allegiance to this country? Like my allegiance truly is to the Lord. So that even when something is done and atrocious in this country, which there's been plenty. in our lifetime the christian can stand firm and say that's wrong even if it means you get your head on the same thing that john the baptist got his head on but there's so much allegiance and it's wild So keep track. We saw the anti-Semitism and the slander. That was the rule. Hey, when you're Candace or when you're anybody else, you call her anti-Semite and you slander her. Candace's fans are coming to her in droves because she represents the individual with their back to the wall in the room full of people who are demanding you bow the knee. that's the first group of people she represents but the when we became fans there is when she turned to the other group this tinfoil hat thing actually fits because her eyes were opened because she seemed to be mind boggled by the fact that She's getting messages from very powerful people, and they're being very threatening to her. And the heat started turning up and turning up when she would just talk about something random. And that left her thinking, what in the world? What hornet's nest did I kick? And how long has this been a thing to stay away from certain hornet's nests? And I think that when she got fired from The Daily Wire, it changed. Where she started catering to an age-old group of people. An age-old group of people. Let me ask this to our listeners here for the main purpose of this entire episode. Not that you would be a fan of Candace Owens. Not that you would agree with everything that she says. And I'm actually sick of even making that disclaimer when we talk about people. I know. Nobody ever agrees with everything. That's ridiculous. That's ridiculous. There isn't a TV show that I like that I agree with everything in the TV show. There's not a family member I love that I agree with everything. Lord knows. It's a passive way to hate someone. Yeah. That's right. And you know why? You know, the evidence is that the people who are sitting in the seat of scoffers, I'm sorry to keep coming back to this, but I genuinely think that Christians need to examine their hearts because death is real and you will be judged. But the Christians who felt that it is necessary for them to randomly post their thoughts about Charlie Kirk's death. But they had to satisfy the scoffers first by letting them know, I don't really like him. So don't come for me, y'all. I'm still your friend, world. I'm still your friend, world. Even if it means enmity with God, I'm still your friend. And if you're a Christian that that wasn't your intent, then this is my loving encouragement and plea to you. Repent. Repent. Not because of who it was that was dead. but because of your profession. Right. Repent. So we see Candace's fans coming to her in droves, and she's actually uniting people. People who are stuck in their leftism and conservatives who are stuck in their cultural Christianity of Bible beltness and conservative politics. She seems to be uniting, which is odd, because if there's one thing I disagree with her the most on, it's theology. And it's her stance. Like I said, I pray for her that she would look at her scriptures and read the scriptures and grow in the knowledge of the gospel of Jesus Christ and that she would not take her tinfoilness to the Bible and think that Protestants are the ones who are keeping away. It's such a flawed view of scripture. But I can separate that. And I can discern truth because all truth belongs to the Lord. And there is a host of things that Candace has addressed. Starts off with just merely asking some questions that people don't want to ask. Asking some questions. So I'm going to do a quick Tarantino thing and then I'm going to ask you anything that you have or you did. You did kind of like a refresher with the Kamala stuff. But recently. I came across a... K.D. Ruslan K.D. Ruslan K.D. And he seemed upset that Candace was doing like episodes around Charlie Kirk and trying to figure out what's going on in that type of stuff. I mean, like, I don't he might know people with Charlie. I'm not really familiar with Ruslan, but he seemed genuinely upset. And so I heard him out. He has two videos, I think, at least two videos that I saw. There were twenty minutes and thirty minutes. And I think in the first video he called her a liar or at least insinuated. He asked the question, how many lies does it take before you call someone a liar or how many lies does it take before you are a liar or something like that? And some of the evidence that he gave to show that Candace is a liar is highlighting how she was in an interview with Tucker Carlson. And highlighting the fact that she was being sued by the McCrones and stuff like that. And she said, I don't want it to be dismissed. I want discovery. I don't want it to be dismissed. I don't want the lawsuit to be dismissed. And then Ruslan showed an article highlighting how Candace's team is pushing for dismissal. And I'm thinking, well, that's – I don't know if I'd be willing to call that a lie. Right. There's one day where Candace is flippantly talking about her lawsuit, and then maybe she had counsel from her – Changed her mind. And it changed her mind. I can't call that a lie. And so when I see that type of thing, I'm thinking, well, why – And it superficially addresses the issue. The issue is whether or not McCrone is a man or a woman. Right. That's the issue. Now, you lie about that. And so that and that's what I'm getting to, because since she got her own podcast podcast, since she got her own podcast, she's addressed a myriad of things. Myriad. And I think that she has had sufficient testimony to at least, at the very least, make you go, hmm. At the very least. And if you say, no, it's all nonsense, then you're just telling me you've never watched her content without telling me you've never watched her content. Same thing with Charlie Kirk. It's mind-blowing stuff. And probably the most hard-hitting stuff doesn't even originate with her. McCrone's, that is not her story. If you don't know that, you didn't watch her stuff. Right. She has used her platform to get snuffed out voices a place where they can have their voice heard. That's number two. Number one, a place to protect them. Mm hmm. Because these people are bringing some very dark stuff to light. And because we don't know who they are, it would easy be easy for them to just be killed. And then we never even know. Mm hmm. I'm going to ask this question and shoot it to you, Darren. The last statement I just said, it would be easy for people to address certain issues that are dark enough to get them killed and we never even know. That reality is something that goes over the heads of many Christians. And that's unfortunate, that we live in that dark of a world. Like if there were a great deception to befall the earth, Would Christians be swept up in the deception? How do you know? Like, have you practiced discerning, deceiving things? These are what Candace's episodes are seeking to do. When you get into the weeds, you can make a decision on your own. I think that she provides some things where you can make a decision on your own, and please do that. You have your own mind. But on the surface, what she is doing is she's kicking hornet nests you didn't know exist. She's showing you, hey, there's deception all around us. And one of those things was her series on Kamala Harris that people scoffed at. I don't really care if she black, whatever. It don't matter to me. Well, that's funny because two years ago you were celebrating the first black female, whatever it was. Vice president. Right. People saying things like my daughter now has someone to look up to. Yeah. Yeah. And representation matters. Representation matters. And guess what? You know what comes alongside those statements? More hatred towards white people, y'all. Right. You got to. That's what those statements are. That's what they are, even if people aren't honest about them. See, when you genuinely care about black Americans, because you're allowed to. shocking if you're a black american like us you're allowed to care about black americans you'll actually do stuff even if it means people hating you you'll address the fact that homosexuality and transgenderism is trying to eradicate manhood and manhood eradication means genocide we can't address that though that's mean okay i'm sorry that's me yeah we don't we don't care about people we don't care about people oh how about drug How about glorifying the dehumanization and objectification of women in hip-hop music and all that other stuff so that you don't actually have families and a wife that helps you and comes alongside you as a co-ruler to raise a family of arrows in this world to build healthy societies under the name of the Lord? Okay, that's mean. You can't force religion. All right, my fault, my fault. So Darren, what are some of the things that people might have forgotten? regarding with kamala yeah so i mean candace i swear she's like a five-part series addressing Kamala Harris in a lot of different ways. The main one people may remember is her identity. That's what you brought up. And some irony surrounding her identity as far as her ethnicity, her lying. Initially, they told us that she was a Black woman. Come to find out, maybe she's a little mixed. When the Stop Asian Hate thing happened, then she's Asian. So now she's a Black an Indian woman you know when you know immigration is the push so technically she's Asian but East Asian you know and then you have she went she did a deep dive into her family tree all the way down to her grandparents and the you know they submitted a you know the Democrat Party submitted a photo of Kamala with who they said was her grandmother and Candace discovered that this woman was more like a caretaker. Wasn't her grandmother at all. Her grandmother was a pretty fair-skinned woman. She didn't really know her ethnicity. Let me just reiterate. She wrote a book. She told you who her grandmother was. It was discovered she lied to y'all. Bull-faced lie. Yeah. Go ahead. And then part of the irony that she highlighted was that Kamala Harris is on the blackity black trail. Black people this, black people that. She goes around to all these circuits on a bunch of different accents. God knows what she was doing. But all that's politician stuff. And her husband, everyone wants to forget about. He's a white man. Mm-hmm. And then the vice president candidate that she picked while she was running for president, the whitest white man ever. Everyone's OK with that. That's just the irony that Candace highlighted. And just the propaganda and brainwashing that you've endured. And also the fact that she was even the presidential candidate to begin with. You were tricked into believing that you voted for Kamala Harris when Kamala Harris has been through the democratic process and nobody liked her. Nobody liked her. And then the Democrats said, oh, man, the president that you guys said was so sharp, he actually is sick. And they lied to you guys for a long time about how sick Joe Biden was. Right. And then when it was clearly apparent on TV about how sick he was, they said, let's just withdraw him and place someone there and convince people that they actually voted for this when they never voted for her. In fact, she had the lowest rating out of most Democratic candidates voted for by the people who are voting. Mm hmm. And they convinced you guys that she was smart, she was intelligent, but you guys had already decided that she wasn't. And this is the party that democracy, this is what democracy looks like. That's the irony that Candace Owens is highlighting. That you guys have been duped all the way around into thinking you picked a person that's underqualified and a liar. And her... She also highlighted her previous political resume that all she does is harm black people in inner cities in San Francisco. She had terrible inhumane laws like putting triangle-shaped structures under bridges so homeless people couldn't sleep there, putting big little pointy things on benches in the parks. So all it did was make homeless people sleep on the street and poop on the street and the drug needle policy where you just give out drug needles to people who are on drugs. She lied about evidence that kept the man on death row when he should have been acquitted. She does a deep dive into all that stuff. Now, quick question. Yeah. People listening will know. Do we care? Do we care what ethnicity Kamala is? Absolutely not. Did majority of the people who supposedly voted for her care? They would say they don't, but they did. They did. Just like they did with Barack Obama. That's why he was made black. And that's why you were lied to. Now, why is it important for you to know you're lied to? Well, because she wants women to tear their babies from their bodies. She wants men to not be men, but women. she wants family to be broken down and she wants government tyranny and overreach she's a trained Marxist that's also in Candace Owens' Deep Dive her dad was a Marxist she actually trained in it she wrote it in one of her books but she knows black people are not going to read same thing Martin Luther King did correct So Candace Owens is laying it out for you so you don't have to read the book. But you just kind of slander her and say, oh. Now, what would Candace's motivation be? Because she also slanders Donald Trump and points out bad things about Donald Trump. Correct. So maybe Candace. Candace. Yeah. So what is her motivation, if not the truth? And if she's wrong. and you have a giant platform to also help people to show she's wrong, well, if it's not personal, if this is just ideological, then I'm sure you would be invited on her show for y'all to talk about it. She's done it under way worse circumstances. That's number one. Number two, you can just do it on your own platform. And you can just walk people through how it's wrong, how it's incorrect. It's extremely incorrect. A very basic way, it's like me, Catholicism. I'm sorry. I know we have Catholics who listen to us, but your Council of Trent is explicit. It doubles down in the fact that the gospel of grace is not enough, that it's anathematized, I should say, that we should be accursed if we believe that we are saved by grace alone, through faith alone. And that there is no work that contributes to our salvation. That is an anathematized statement. That's wrong, biblically. I genuinely believe it's wrong. It is wrong that the Pope is the representation in some form or shape of Christ on earth for us. I think it showed that already. The Pope was... Talked about Jesus was pro-abortion or something like that, wasn't pro-life or whatever. But those types of things, you can just walk through it. If I go through the Council of Trent, we can show those anathematizing statements. We can look at scripture of Paul and Ephesians. We can just walk through it. I do not call people who practice Catholicism slanderous words as a matter of fact. The teachings of Catholicism, though anti-biblical, I believe they're genuine Christians who practice Catholicism. I just call them bad Catholics. That's what I call them. I genuinely believe that Catholics can know and trust the Lord. If there can be a thief who has no theology, not baptized... but just knows that Jesus is the object of his salvation, then there can be many people. Now, but unfortunately, that can be fleshed out, you know, and bad theology can turn into apostasy, as we've seen. But all that to say, this is the way we're going to end this episode, because I'm going to wet people's whistle with some dark, dark chocolate. It's bitter. What is going on here? I don't know what to say. What's your problem? I don't even know. I can't wait. I mean, what in the world? I'm trying to say this. I can't wait to call John. What? I mean, God listeners, I'm not even sure what he's referring to. I'm on the outside of this. Darren, Darren, Darren. Okay. Chill out. Chill out. Relax. Relax. This is what I was saying. Dark chocolate is not for a lot of people. It's not for a lot of people. but it's a pilot cleanser right it's a pilot it's a pilot cleanser right um and so it's very bitter for people you know especially with the high percentage of cocoa in it or cacao in it um and so we're saying that what candace is doing with her content is that she's trying to help people practice opening your eyes the jury can still be out on whether or not her conclusions are true That's fine. I think that you need to watch it and come up with your own conclusions. But I want you, O Christian, to practice opening your eyes. The scriptures tell us that. As a matter of fact, the reason we're not diving into the very specifics of a lot of the episodes that a lot of people don't actually dive into – I meant to say that. It's like I'm hearing people slander her over her takes on Charlie Kirk and whatnot, and then they're concluding she's a liar, she's a fraud. I'm like, bro, she's got hundreds of millions of views on content that you can address. You can actually nitpick at a lot of stuff, and you're choosing not to. That's questionable to me. We ought to practice opening our eyes because now we're going away a little bit from Candace and we're going to some things that I think Christians ought to know of. And it's dark. It's dark. I'm going to leave these. We're going to watch these videos. We're just going to give our one, two cents statements on it, and we're going to go to the next one because I want the Christian. This is not even about you making the conclusion on the videos we're about to watch. It's about you making a conclusion on this world. There is a dark deception of this world. The deception is also making words up like conspiracy theorist and tinfoil hat. Satan doesn't need to convince you that he exists. Correct. He just has to convince you not to believe in God, not to trust Jesus. That's his job. He don't care if you know he exists. He just wants you to pull you away from the truth. Right. That's it. On what basis, O Christian, do you draw conclusions? By what criteria do you determine something trustworthy? By what criteria? How do you determine the trustworthiness of certain wars or rumors of wars? What about injustice or systemic prejudice? Presidential elections. How do you determine the trustworthiness of them? Presidential coverups. Political scandal. Pandemics. Assassination attempts. Pedophilic trafficking rings. Successful assassinations. How do you determine the trustworthiness of the narratives around these things? Because right now, for many Christians, they're rooted in your earthly teams. That's where your criteria comes from. How do we know? Because once upon a time, Candice was on teams with a lot of people who are slandering her now. And I'm using slander on purpose. Disagree. That's great. That's healthy. Slander belongs to scoffers. That when someone gives you an argument, and I'm talking about a classical argument, and it leads to a conclusion, and you don't meet them with a counter argument and conclusion, you're a scoffer. If you're trying to dissuade people from arriving at the same thing. So let's start in the crates here, Darren. Let's start in the crates. Alex Jones was slandered and even bullied for making statements about Sandy Hook, right? Now, I think that a lot of people have already concluded on the type of person that Alex Jones is because they've heard the slander and they've acquiesced. Now, I confess, I've never met Alex Jones. I don't know him as a person. I can't make a determination. I can make a determination on his determinations and conclusions. Him as a person, we don't know. I don't know him. But let me – I'm going to show you, and for those who are only listening, I'll describe it. Or you can listen. This is from a documentary over the Sandy Hook tragedy in Connecticut. Now, before I say this – There's a big rule and the reason why we're not even diving in. We might spend maybe ten minutes for patrons. We'll do a Patreon only of just Candice's most recent episodes. But it's too early for us to care about all the theories that are coming up regarding Charlie Kirk and stuff like that. It's too early. You've got to let time go. You have to let time pass. But... This is coming from a documentary called We Need to Talk About Sandy Hook, and it is a compilation of evidence piled by numerous investigators, random, regular citizens and people who are professional investigators. They kept their identities concealed. This documentary is available. I'll keep it available in our show notes, and you can have it. But here's a quick clip from it. And this is talking about the scene of the school where people, I'm sorry. Let me click here. It's talking about the scene of the school Where on our TVs, we're being told that there's absolute mayhem and people are going haywire. But when you look closely at the camera shot, it seems like people are literally walking in circles to make it look like there's mayhem. There are plenty of reasons why people think Sandy Hook was a drill gone live. Remember the footage of the parents walking aimlessly at the firehouse? Alright, this is, it gets really interesting in a minute and you're going to see without a doubt how the people are recycling back into the building. Alright, now the helicopter is pulling out. See the line of people there? See the line of people? Alright, we're coming up to the front. Look how they're coming back in. They're taking that turn. Watch them take the turn. Up! And they're coming right back into the building. Now, skeptics erroneously have attempted to denounce this evidence as manufactured and looped by YouTubers. Yet, as we can see, before the helicopter video pans out, the people are just filing right back into the firehouse. Yes, arrows were given out by various YouTubers to show the characters looping around. And yes, songs were attributed to the edited versions. of the videos to clearly show how ludicrous it all is. And yes, the video is played forward and backward right before it pans out to show clearly where the people are headed. But this tape quite clearly is not looped, and we can clearly see people walking in circles. When we focus on individual people in the video, we see the same anomalous behavior. The kid in the yellow Under Armour shirt is the best example of this. Throughout the time he is observed, he just walks aimlessly around, in circles. He does this until a lady walks up to him and ushers him away. Now did this lady notice that he was a little too blatant in his attempt at creating a chaotic scene? Now take a look at the man in the grey sweatshirt. His name is Joseph Wasik and his daughter Alexis gave several interviews to the media throughout the day. He enters the video at around fifty seconds in when he exits the firehouse door and then walks around. He is seen again going back inside the firehouse at about four minutes and ten seconds into the video and then at the end of the video he is seen exiting the building once again at around ten twenty one into the video. If you pay close attention to the individual people in the footage you will notice the same awkward behavior of walking in and out of the firehouse doors of course without a child. What does one say to that? Really quickly, just know that there are people that when a news story breaks, there are people who will record that news story and they will start to pay attention to all the stuff that no one else wants to pay attention to. And they find that type of stuff. And all that does is make you ask, well, why are they doing that? Mm-hmm. And then you end up finding out you're not allowed to ask that question. And then that makes them go deeper and deeper. Let's keep going. A lot of people don't know of a man named William Cooper, Bill Cooper, but Bill Cooper actually, um, He predicted that there was going to be an attack involving Osama bin Laden. Bill Cooper was Alex Jones before Alex Jones and during Alex Jones. And all were slandered. Candace is slandered. Bill Cooper was murdered. silenced soon after this. What you're about to hear happened in June, two thousand one. And then you have nine eleven. And Bill Cooper, I think, was killed in November of that year by government agents. This is all fact. Yeah, this is all fact. So listen to him. Osama bin Laden before you heard of Saddam Hussein. When did you start hearing of Osama bin Laden? It was after Saddam Hussein and Iraq were supposedly neutralized in the Gulf War. Because they needed a new boogeyman. But they're not looking for Osama bin Laden because I'm telling you right now, if I were the head of the Central Intelligence Agency, within two weeks I would have him dead or in custody without fail. Without fail. If I had those assets and that money, he would be mine forever. I would own his terrorist ass within two weeks without fail. A reporter from CNN and his little camera crew got in to Osama bin Laden's secret hideout and conducted an interview. If you don't believe me, tune in to CNN. They're probably running it right now as I'm speaking. And if you believe it, you are one of the stupidest jerks that ever lived on the face of this earth. And whatever is going to happen that they're going to blame on Osama bin Laden, don't you even believe it. Another Socialusion social engineering project to change the minds and the attitudes and the beliefs of the people of the world, and especially the United States, to bring about one world socialist totalitarian government. Darren, was he mean? Was he being mean? No. No, man. He called people idiots. I didn't like his tone. I didn't like his tone. Now, here's the thing. as I pull up the last one, it's become popular almost uncomfortably to doubt nine eleven. Right. Because we haven't had people address vindication yeah yeah yeah we it's not been addressed tucker carlson is actually going through a series i haven't watched it yet i've kind of got the i've kind of got popularity fatigue where it's like it's so popular that it makes me skeptical of What's happening with that? But I do want people who have scoffed at these types of things. You scoff at the Bill Coopers, the Alex Joneses, merely because you're told to scoff. I want you to just see the real world around a couple of narratives that we scoff at. We scoff at people who say, hey, Sandy Hook, at the very least, needs to answer some questions. At the very most, it was a drill that was made to seem real in order to invoke political action. And people say, oh, that's ridiculous. It's crazy. And so they call you crazy and things like that. Um, and now you have a receipt, you have the documentary you can watch, but now this one is, you know, just interesting because where were you during that? I was in seventh grade language arts. I was in freshman high school year in my algebra two class. And something that really struck my mind as I was thinking about this a few months ago in preparing this episode is that our entire relationship to nine, eleven is facilitated through our television. Yeah. If you think about that, if you were not there on ground zero and if you were not in the neighboring areas, your entire relationship with nine, eleven is facilitated through your television. And I'm about to play a clip of people who were there in real time, videos that are few far in between to find. But the narrative is so accepted now that it doesn't even matter if you find it. But in real time, you have people reporting on what was taking place. And I want you to listen to this. Let's go here. Memory has to go back to another terrorist attack. One would hope it is not this time, If it were a plane that crashed into the side of the building, you would imagine that there would be something on the ground that would be visible. That's true, Jim. I cannot see the ground from here. You'll recall back in, I believe it was, nineteen forty-five when a U.S. Air Force plane crashed into about the eightieth, seventieth or eightieth floor of the Empire State Building during a foggy night. This is the skies here, as you can see, are perfectly clear. So I'm starting to lean to the idea that perhaps this, whatever happened here, came from the inside. So for those listening, that's the voice of Dick Oliver on New York Good Day. They're reporting real time before a narrative is given. They're just reporting what they see. One reporter says, I don't see any plain debris or anything at the bottom, at the base of the building. There would definitely be that. And so I'm thinking that there was a bomb inside. And Dick Oliver is corroborating that a little bit. of the World Trade Center over Manhattan. And I did hear some kind of a screech or some kind of a wail before a tremendous boom. So I first thought it was a plane. Then I looked at what was going on here and saw that perhaps it was internal rather than external. But we'll have to wait for official confirmation on that. Okay, so now the video shifts, and now you're about to listen to, for our listeners, you're about to listen to a compilation of real-time eyewitnesses there in New York after this explosion in the building. Now, the interesting thing is these videos are taking place slightly after that real-time reporting because now the news report is out. And so people are coming up to people who were eyewitnesses, and they're coming with the narrative of a plane flew into the World Trade Center. I hope you're understanding what I'm saying. Time has passed. Now the people who live through nine eleven through their TVs, we watched the plane happen. The news report is going out with the narrative of a plane and they're bringing that narrative to people who have witnessed it with their eyes. And you're listening to a compilation of many videos of people receiving that news. Listen to their responses. Official confirmation on that. No, a bomb. I saw it. No plane hit nothing. That is not a plane. They don't know what they're talking about. How would they see a plane hit that? Dude, I saw the second explosion. That was no plane that hit the second building. It exploded from the inside out. It was a bomb. Bomb in another building, not second plane. That was a bomb. Who said the second plane? That's what we're told. Second plan. We saw it on television. All right. Thanks a lot. What happened was I was down in the basement. All of a sudden, we heard a loud bang. And the elevator doors blew open. Some guy was burnt up. So I dragged him out. His skin was all hanging off. So I dragged him out. I pulled him out of the parking lot. This was what was left on him. Pulled him out. When I pulled him out, I looked up, and the second bomb blew off. Just saw a burst, a big burst. All of a sudden, you heard a loud explosion. So we all ran to look, and the first building was a big hole on the side of it, and on the other side went a flame. So we stood there in shock. Everyone's screaming. A woman collapsed for me. I had to lay her down on my textbooks. And before you know it, out of nowhere, the next building blew up. And then all of a sudden, everyone's running all over the place in a panic attack. We actually didn't see the second plane, but we saw the explosion hit the other tower. That has to be a bomb, right? Yes, of course. That exploded right in front of us. I did not see a plane. I said the plane hit the first building. The second building just exploded. That looks like a second plane. That just exploded. What is our Lord trying to tell us when he calls Satan the father of lies? Is he trying to tell us that? I don't even know. What are some of the stupid lies that he's making? But I submit to you that I don't think we take it serious enough as Christians to believe that there is a father of lies and he is, to say the least, counterproductive to the way, the truth, and the life who is Jesus Christ. This is not about getting into frivolous conversations and debates over the theories. But it is about you recognizing that these theories exist because we live in a world of lies and that you are not called to be dismissive of that reality, but that you are called to be knowledgeable of that and to wake up so that you can grab others and wake them up. Not to the fact that our government is corrupt. That's a duh. but to the fact that in this world we will have trouble, but that we can take heart because Jesus Christ has overcome the world. And it's best to know that he reigns and rules over in his sovereignty over this dark and deceptive world. Then for the great deception to come, and because you practice your entire life going with the deception, you're deceived as well. So we'll, we'll end there. Any last thoughts? No. I mean, as the, as the church and Christians get bullied into being more silent and The father of lies is more and more bold. So don't be bullied into being silent. That's also part of the deception. That if you know some truth, it's mean to say it. So just be quiet. The truth, who is Jesus, a person, should be shared by Christians. Thank you guys for listening to this episode of Black and Blurred, where you're guaranteed to hear one of two things, a humble opinion or the facts. Holler at us.